To be fair with the above, even considering that he’s being disingenuous*, his [AFAIK incorrect] claim is not “anime is child porn”, it’s “that anime instance has child porn”.

*note how he’s trying to transform “is this CSAM?” into a subjective matter. That’s rather close to the moving goalposts fallacy.

Even in this thread there’s discussion of a show that blatantly tittilates the audience with underage characters that would absolutely qualify as csam in any other community except in the anime community, for some reason.

Emphasis mine. If what you are saying is indeed correct (is it? dunno), this is a sign that the acronym “CSAM” was completely derailed.

Originally the expression “child sexual abuse material” was coined to avoid implications of consent brought by the word “pornography”, and it boils down to “evidence of child sexual abuse”. Consent and sexual abuse are legal notions that only apply to real people, not to fictional characters.

In the meantime, at worst the instance in question depicts images of clearly fictional characters in suggestive poses and/or clothing. It does not classify even as pornography, let alone sexual abuse. (Note that not even hentai depicting clearly adult characters is allowed in that instance.)

I don’t care about what the maintainers’ view of the matter is, I make (and sometimes delete) my comments based on my own view of it.

Given that this is a touchy subject, I think that this matter is better handled neither by the maintainers’ views nor by our own views, but by 1) legal definitions of governments that might be relevant in the matter, and 2) explicit moral premises.

Yeah, but the admins, as the thread has shown, are mainly reining in violations of sitewide policy. Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.

So the admins are reining in violations of lemmy.ml-wide policy… while lemmy.ml rules are mainly the job of the mods??? Congratulations, that’s the dumbest thing that I’ve read today.

Couple the above with the backpedalling (from “This is what mods are for.” to “Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.”; emphasis on “mainly”) - a sleight of hand, while lying that I was the one using a sleight of hand - and I’m led to the conclusion that you have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion, and can be safely ignored as dead weight and noise.

Unlike the above, does anyone here have any decent counter-argument against “migrating this comm to that other instance would be sensible”?

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Not just the mods. Admins can (and should) also moderate content in their instances, specially when it comes to the global rules. And it’s clear that lemmy.ml admins want to do so, otherwise this thread wouldn’t exist on first place.

Sorry for the double reply. Here’s a practical idea: what if the mods of this comm contacted lemmy.ml’s admins? Ideally doing two things:

1. Clarifying that the instance in question does not have child sexual abuse material, and requesting users to be allowed to link it.
2. Expressing desire to migrate !anime@lemmy.ml to the instance in question, and highlighting that this is convenient for both sides of the matter.

Among the admins I think that Nutomic would be the best to contact, given the github thread.

You’re talking about your thread about Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, right? It’s still in the modlog for me, even in private mode. I don’t think that they removed the entry.

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In my opinion, the migration is sensible because:

1. You need to know a topic decently enough to be able to moderate a community about it. And yet it’s unreasonable to expect the admins of lemmy.ml - a community about free/open source and privacy - to know about anime.
2. There’s no inherent reason why this comm is the largest anime comm in Lemmy. It’s simply that this comm is three years old, from a time when “Lemmy” was mostly just lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, there was no other place in Lemmy to discuss anime.
3. Lemmy as a whole benefits from redirecting traffic from larger instances to smaller ones. Specially instances unrelated to politics and tech. In fact, lemmy.ml’s admins asked users to use other instances not too long ago.

For me it says “admins”. I don’t know if it’s because I’m a mod of a few other lemmy.ml comms, or if it’s because of the different backend versions (SJW uses 0.18.5, lemmy.ml uses 0.19.1).

For context, I encourage people to check this discussion in the “join Lemmy” site github. Have in mind that both of the Lemmy developers in that discussion are also admins of the lemmy.ml instance, and they clearly disagree if the instance in question should be considered as “hosting CSAM” or not.

I think that this community should migrate, but for a different reason: topic.

The topic of lemmy.ml is privacy and free-as-freedom software. Most other content here is off-topic, including anime. It was fine when it was just lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, as you’d have no other place to discuss anime in Lemmy, but now the situation is different.

And ideally, communities should be managed/moderated/administered by people who know well the topic of the community.

Thank you! It’s working now.

It’s giving me an error, “Error Finding Entity // Make sure you spelled the entity correctly and that it exists!”, when I use my username for lemmy.ml; curiously it works well when I do it for my beehaw.org account.

Last I heard is that they are testing 0.19 on Lemmy.ml.

Yup.

“Content not found in lemmy.ml’s single instance is not present in lemmy.ml as a whole at all”

A more accurate equivalence would be “Content not found in the lemmy.ml instance might be found elsewhere in Lemmy.” I’m talking about the federation vs. the lack of.

It’s not like Reddit represents the entire Internet, IDK why you’re giving them special treatment to exclude content without criticism.

I did not claim (or even imply) that “Reddit represents the whole internet”. And I am not “giving them special treatment to exclude content without criticism”. It is just that this content exclusion and the criticism are not relevant in the context of this discussion.

I heavily encourage you to re-read the title of the post (just the title is enough), for context, and contrast it with your own comment. Do it. Please.

It might reduce the problem but I don’t think that’ll solve it, as in some situations instances will still defed each other. For example, where an admin says “users from that instance break my rules, I don’t want to deal with it, defed time”.

It’s interesting how, by hosting your own instance, your view over Lemmy changes. I hope that self-hosters like you become more common.

I would rewrite the second sentence into “As such, content it doesn’t like is not possible to be hosted on their single, general-purpose instance.”

Or rather, “content not found in their single instance is not present in Reddit as a whole at all”.

That’s the point here - it’s true for Reddit but false for Lemmy, as content available in one instance doesn’t need to be hosted yet again in another.

Instance creation and management does not require coding skills. It’s a very different skill set, one of system administration and web hosting.

I phrased it poorly. What I tried to convey is that easier instance creation and management should be a priority for coders, so other people have an easier time hosting/managing their Lemmy instances.

That [interface devs should expect users to have 2+ accounts] is just a ugly workaround, I hope we can come up with something better.

Ugly workaround or not, I believe that this would be still sensible given the current state of Lemmy. Because when people want content from non-federated instances, here are their current solutions:

• Register on both, and keep two separated and partially overlapping feeds. It’s a bother, and eventually they will ditch the smaller feed.
• Look for an instance that happens to federate with both, and register there. That may or may not federate with a fourth instance with desirable content.
• Register on one and give up the other. Usually the one getting the short end of the stick is single-purpose, smaller, or more careful on whom they federate with.

So the current state of the things actively encourages you to hop into big, general-purpose instances. That is bad for the federation, and it aggravates the “three groups to rule you, three sets of rules to follow” problem.

Do you happen to have an alternative for this idea? Preferably, one that would work with the Lemmyverse now?

Both are great steps in the right direction, I believe.

And eventually I think that “A federates with B” should boil down to “you can post in A using a B account”. With the combined feed being handled by the front-end, and all activity in B being hosted by B itself (not just images).

When I registered 2y ago I didn’t think that I’d stick around for so long.
I’m glad that I did.