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I have been on lots of old forums too. That is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the ability to investigate the typos on the old forum posts. How often are you on some phpBB site thinking “this would be so much better if I could see what incorrect information was edited out in 2009.”? Nobody fucking cares.

yo this isn’t the government.

You seem to be wanting a platform on which to conduct official, auditable conversations which are subject to accountability in the form of total mutual surveillance. For some reason pinning these hopes to a random project with a sewer rat for a mascot.

The internet has been going on for like 50 years now, people have been pulling all manner of flame war shenanigans and this has like never been a significant problem. Because if a conversation is being watched by a lot of people, there are always others who saw the original post who can corroborate the change. And if it isn’t, who the fuck cares? Like I said to OP, if you are getting into a lot of petty flame wars and feel you need this sort of thing, learn to take a screen shot or use some of the other many client side or 3rd party tools available just for this kind of suspicion. For the most part it is some kind of online urban legend tho. Plenty of people are saying all kinds of stupid bullshit online, no need for others to plot and plan to trick them into doing so. Whoever is looking to find stupid bullshit can find it without resorting to trickery, in any variety they choose.

I actually don’t think it is required to trust people on a forum in the way you suggest.

If I was in what I perceived to be a really high stakes discussion (read: flamewar) where I was worried about this, I would take my own measures to ensure I could “trust” the other parties. I would save my own copies locally. Reddit RES had a button you could add client side for just this kind of petty bullshit. If you really want the feature, implement it in your browser/device.

Really though friend, try to have a bit of a sense of humor and distance from your online posting and interactions with unknown people. If someone is going to such lengths as to edit their post so it looks like you are responding to something else to make you look bad, it is either: a) a boring joke, or b) they are really pathetic and sad trying to sabotage you. Either way, it’s not the end of the world. If it sticks in your craw, you can just go edit your comment to say “edit: the comment to which I am replied was substantially edited after I posted so what I said no longer applies”. You can either delete what you said, or correct it, or leave it as-is with a caveat.

also some people did learn english (or whatever language is being used) yesterday and they might notice something confusing about their post after creating it… why let it persist

To draw attention to an edit, for example to correct an erroneous statement, use a combination of strikethrough and bold (or italic if more appropriate):

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and hung executed by firing squad by the state of Utah in 1915.

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and ~~hung~~ **executed by firing squad** by the state of Utah in 1915.

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Should be minimal since it’s text. In fact, a lot of my edits reduce posts since I use it to add an edit that I would’ve needed to post in multiple sub-threads.

If you make a post which is 1000 chars in length, then you edit it to be only 800 chars, the 1000 chars still need to be stored. And federated and everything. That is the actual idea being presented here. It might not be a total of 1000+800=1800 chars because there are clever ways of compressing stuff, but it is still >1000 and certainly >800. And as @fartsparkles also pointed out you need to track meta data for each edit in addition to the text.

It doesn’t cause clutter in Wikipedia, so it’s not inherently a poor UX choice.

Interesting comparison. Wikipedia has a very robust system for tracking changes, because it is a core feature of the project. It is a collection of collaboratively edited documents. Since that’s the whole idea of the project, they have rules, software, code, humans, robots, meetings, arguments, computers, etc to manage it because it is really complicated.

Sometimes, it is too much and they just wipe it away https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion

Threadiverse is not a collaboratively edited collection of documents so why introduce that? There is no compelling argument presented.

Also mentioned is git, which like wikipedia is primarily a tool for collaborative editing. It also has the ability to permanently remove: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-filter-branch Not to mention using git is a very specialized skill primarily attained through formal education and employment.

Both wikimedia and git are known as very complicated to use pieces of software which take years of practice to be good at. Both have their own subcultures. They have to be like this because they are trying to accomplish a complicated task, which is to allow large number of people to collaborate together. I think compare/contrasting these to threadiverse does a great deal to show what actually happens when you need to have changetracking like this and how difficult it is to design properly in such a way that it can be easily used by a common person without significant study.

better done on the client side with a browser extension

or fuck it, install a keylogger on yourself

disagree because for example

• reading sequentially posted items when the original author wishes to correct themselves is really annoying

• there are reasons other than personal embarrassment someone would want to correct something they’d said. like if you give advice but later realize the advice could be dangerous for a group of people you hadn’t considered

just checked. my livejournal is still up. last post 2005. i heard a rumour the site was purchased by russia or something? someone is paying the server bills.

do we really have evidence that the problems with a lot of mainstream social media has to do with size? there are shitty smaller sites like for example kiwifarms was vile but not very big. And other sites are expansive like linkedin or quora but pretty benign (if boring) AFAIK.

A lot of people who are comfortable with tech have a hard time remembering how unusual that is. We are all clustered together with each other so it becomes normalized. But think of all the facebook, tik tok, reddit, instagram users int he world. Who will run services for them?

It’s all well and good for us nerdy types to say “OK, one out of every few hundred of us is going to run a little server”. And we can support that because the % of people who have the skills and resources is extremely high.

For the rest of the population, who is going to put the kind of community cultivation in to setting things up, convincing people to move, orienting users, etc? If this plan was to be viable it would need to have a small army of volunteers to commit to creating instances for specific communities far outside of tech.

well, do you think there should be votes at all? why/not?

if you think there oughta be votes, do you think those values should persist outside of the thread they are cast in? I have seen others comment recently to the contrary. the vote exists on the individual statement and goes nowhere.

so you mean b

I am not sure if you saying:

a) assigning karma should be opt-in: all users have 0 karma unless they flip a switch allowing them to accumulate or lose karma, or

b) displaying karma is opt in. in which case do you mean displaying for oneself, for others?

it says you posted 2 minutes ago… maybe wit another 58?

how do you learn about the bots? when I click the links, for example, CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world it brings me to a kbin search that seems not to be working properly. Maybe not supported on kbin?

does it work like this? @remindme!1day

Looks great i will try it. How do you keep it updated?

Where is that info available?

pretty shocking really. I feel like a bit of prep to have some answers written up by someone who knows how to spin things would have fooled at least some readers. especially those who weren’t following the whole drama up til now. but it was a comprehensive loss for them.

I also got a couple of “you broke reddit” pages trying to follow the post. So even reddit servers couldn’t keep up with how made people are. And this is on a Friday, traditionally the day to do things you do not want noticed.

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