Astronomer & video game data scientist with repressed anger
On some level, protest is about harming other people, at least mildly. Protests are frustrating. Protests are interrupting. Protested make it more difficult for people to do what they want.
This is by design. This is part of the point.
Protests that aren’t inconveniencing people are protests that can be safely ignored.
It’s all the better, though, when those inconveniences can be paired with a clear alternative for people to turn to to have their needs met.
There is also always a flurry of people trying out accounts in multiple instances whenever there’s a migration wave, so not only are we seeing people who dipped a toe in only to leave, or go back to Reddit, but we’re seeing the effect of people understanding how the ecosystem works better and settling into a single active account.
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I didn’t say they blocked few people. I said they blocked few websites.
Lemmygrad is full of agitators, and Lemmy.world and SJW have, from my experiences, a disproportionate number of people who reject communal solutions to communal issues, while still feeling entitled to access to communal spaces.
Meanwhile, other large sites, like Lemmy.ml and kbin.social, and smaller regional sites, such as Midwest.social, Lemmy.ca, and feddit.uk, are federation with them just fine.
That doesn’t sound like mass defederating to me.
That sounds targeted.
Yeah, setting up new instances is a different issue, of course. And there is definitely a lack tools to help with that as of yet. We need things like rate limiting on new federations, or on unusual traffic spikes, mod queues for posts that get caught up in them. Plus the ability to purge all posts and comments from users from defederated sites.
Among other things.
The beehaw approach wasn’t “bulk defederation”. They blocked two Lemmy instances they were having trouble with. The bulk of their block list are Mastodon and Pleroma instances well known for trolling other sites and stirring up shit.
Edit: Autocomplete refuses to accept that I talk a lot about federation and defederating, and is desperately trying to convince me I’m talking about anything else that states with “de”.
The solution is to choose servers with admins who are enabling bot protections.
If admins are not using methods to dissuade bot signups, then they’re not keeping their site clean for their users. They’re being a bad admin.
If they’re not protecting their site against bots, they’re also not protecting the network against hosts. That makes them bad denizens of the Fediverse, and the rest of us should take action to protect the network.
And that means cutting ties with those who endanger it.
This.
You just domain or IP block a bot server. Maybe you don’t want to block a place with a history, and people.
And smaller sites are using the application form. SJW and Lemmy.world are much more ripe for setting up on, because it’s a much bigger decision to block them.
They’d get Fediblocked super quickly and then it’s just a quick copy and paste by, you know, like, 5 guys that administer 90% of Lemmybin users and they’re shut down.
And you can train that LLM to sound like Redditors for as little as $20M/year!
Leave it to Redditors to be OK with everything turning into a Nazi bar.
They’ve just spoon-fed us the data to help us identify a very particular type of attack. They don’t need to use that type. They just need to know the ins and outs of the software.
Testing, I’d guess. Experimenting with hardware configurations, software configurations, bot configurations. Testing rate limits, looking for exploits, etc.
We can tell when they pile 1 million bots onto 5 servers all at once. Will we tell when they pile 100,000 across 10 servers over the span of a month?
Well, they’re two different websites. I imagine that has something to do with it.
Ok, but question: If anyone can start up a Lemmy server, how do you expect existing servers to know about the new ones without someone explicitly making the connection?
There’s no central Lemmy mainframe that every server is connected to. There are no hardwired or mandatory connections, and there shouldn’t be. I’m the face of that, what alternative solution do you propose?
For one, it makes the post searchable on Mastodon
Whoever owns Lenny.nl needs to repurpose it immediately.
And Friendica has full groups support, AFAIK, so it functions like an inverse kbin, focusing the microblogging but giving full group access.
We should encourage more, frankly. Misskey has exploded in forks, and it’s meant good things.
So long as they’re interoperable, the diversity in experiences is good for all of us.
But how far away is the chemist’s?